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		<title>By: CRB</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2009/09/13/temptation-to-doom-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>CRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nihilism is not the result of just &quot;giving up&quot; on logic.  It&#039;s the result of coming to the realization that the very concept of knowledge is ridiculous, and therefore causes a great amount of distress in those who are accustomed to constantly focusing on rational argument. (A person who is not normally obsessed with truth and rationality could never be a nihilist, because it takes a rational destruction of rationality.)  In short, there&#039;s no &quot;weee!&quot;  True nihilism does not usually last very long, as it either leads to suicide or a philosophical solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nihilism is not the result of just &#8220;giving up&#8221; on logic.  It&#8217;s the result of coming to the realization that the very concept of knowledge is ridiculous, and therefore causes a great amount of distress in those who are accustomed to constantly focusing on rational argument. (A person who is not normally obsessed with truth and rationality could never be a nihilist, because it takes a rational destruction of rationality.)  In short, there&#8217;s no &#8220;weee!&#8221;  True nihilism does not usually last very long, as it either leads to suicide or a philosophical solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Odessa Gilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odessa Gilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for sharing this interesting post. I am just starting up my own blog and this has given me inspiration to what I can achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for sharing this interesting post. I am just starting up my own blog and this has given me inspiration to what I can achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2009/09/13/temptation-to-doom-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I&#039;ve been thinking these days about exactly what Confirmation holism seems to be about (thanks for the link). That seems to go in line with the consistency of reality. If one &quot;truth&quot; as you know it contradicts another there is obviously a problem. I agree with that.

But I&#039;m not sure how that contradicts with what I said.. It should actually support it. The fact I can sense something external of myself would prove objective reality exists and the fact that it is consistent and holistic means that it tolerates no contradiction and therefore allows for only one truth (the 100% truth). We can say (and many post modernists like to do that) that we&#039;re just brains in a vat or in some sort of a shared delusion, but that&#039;s all completely inconsequential, as inconsequential as saying there may be an invisible pig flying in the orbit of Jupiter.

Anyway, I&#039;ll read the links in whole eventually, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I&#8217;ve been thinking these days about exactly what Confirmation holism seems to be about (thanks for the link). That seems to go in line with the consistency of reality. If one &#8220;truth&#8221; as you know it contradicts another there is obviously a problem. I agree with that.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure how that contradicts with what I said.. It should actually support it. The fact I can sense something external of myself would prove objective reality exists and the fact that it is consistent and holistic means that it tolerates no contradiction and therefore allows for only one truth (the 100% truth). We can say (and many post modernists like to do that) that we&#8217;re just brains in a vat or in some sort of a shared delusion, but that&#8217;s all completely inconsequential, as inconsequential as saying there may be an invisible pig flying in the orbit of Jupiter.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll read the links in whole eventually, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2009/09/13/temptation-to-doom-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/
may also be of interest</description>
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may also be of interest</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You write &quot;and you know that 100% true truth exists because your senses give you the evidence of objective reality&quot;.

Two problems with this are 1) that observation is theory-laden, 2) beliefs face tests not in isolation, but as parts of a web of belief and you always have a choice which part of the web you sacrifice: nature doesn&#039;t dictate that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_holism

Those are two of the main problems epistemologists and philosophers of science try to deal with</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write &#8220;and you know that 100% true truth exists because your senses give you the evidence of objective reality&#8221;.</p>
<p>Two problems with this are 1) that observation is theory-laden, 2) beliefs face tests not in isolation, but as parts of a web of belief and you always have a choice which part of the web you sacrifice: nature doesn&#8217;t dictate that.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_holism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_holism</a></p>
<p>Those are two of the main problems epistemologists and philosophers of science try to deal with</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is there between &quot;There is absolute truth, you just have to keep uncovering it.&quot; and &quot;There is no absolute truth.&quot;. The only thing I can think of is &quot;There is absolute truth, but it&#039;s impossible to know more of it&quot; which is still pretty much the nihilist side.

There may be varying views within the rationalist &quot;camp&quot; (accepting truth and it&#039;s discoverability), but that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re not rationalists.

Also majorities are quite inconsequential to anything except the number of people to debate against or agree with. Majorities have too much history of being wrong.

EDIT: My terminology here might be a little off and casual. When I say rationalist I don&#039;t exclude empiricist. I think both play a part. The key distinction between what I describe above and post modern nihilism is the acceptance of existence of truth and possibility of discovering it, whether by logic or senses or both. I say both, plus emotions, especially when it comes to discovering truths about self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is there between &#8220;There is absolute truth, you just have to keep uncovering it.&#8221; and &#8220;There is no absolute truth.&#8221;. The only thing I can think of is &#8220;There is absolute truth, but it&#8217;s impossible to know more of it&#8221; which is still pretty much the nihilist side.</p>
<p>There may be varying views within the rationalist &#8220;camp&#8221; (accepting truth and it&#8217;s discoverability), but that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re not rationalists.</p>
<p>Also majorities are quite inconsequential to anything except the number of people to debate against or agree with. Majorities have too much history of being wrong.</p>
<p>EDIT: My terminology here might be a little off and casual. When I say rationalist I don&#8217;t exclude empiricist. I think both play a part. The key distinction between what I describe above and post modern nihilism is the acceptance of existence of truth and possibility of discovering it, whether by logic or senses or both. I say both, plus emotions, especially when it comes to discovering truths about self.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the positions in between nihilism and rationalism (as you define them)?
I&#039;d say the large majority of contemporary positions in epistemology and philosophy of science fall somewhere in between</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the positions in between nihilism and rationalism (as you define them)?<br />
I&#8217;d say the large majority of contemporary positions in epistemology and philosophy of science fall somewhere in between</p>
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