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	<title>Comments on: Right to Life, Liberty and Property Equals Human Being</title>
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	<description>One mind as an universe of ideas.</description>
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		<title>By: Memeverse &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fractional Reserve Banking is fradulent</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/10/25/right-to-life-liberty-and-property-equals-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Memeverse &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fractional Reserve Banking is fradulent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is stating an impossibility. An individual has partial rights, but can at the same time have full rights collectively? I&#8217;m sorry, but I think you can&#8217;t have both at once. The &#8220;entity&#8221; is non-existent. By the definition of a group it is a number of individuals not a single entity. I&#8217;ve written more about collective ownership here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is stating an impossibility. An individual has partial rights, but can at the same time have full rights collectively? I&#8217;m sorry, but I think you can&#8217;t have both at once. The &#8220;entity&#8221; is non-existent. By the definition of a group it is a number of individuals not a single entity. I&#8217;ve written more about collective ownership here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/10/25/right-to-life-liberty-and-property-equals-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It is possible for something not to be owned by anyone. The implication is still false.&lt;/em&gt;

Fair enough, but that's just a theoretical. In a society of humans giving up your self-ownership is 99% of the time mean someone else gets to own you. The only way to escape that is to go somewhere where no human will ever find you.

Yet that alone is a decision you can't make if you weren't the master of yourself, your self-owner, and is in fact opposite of giving up your self-ownership.

&lt;em&gt;Maybe. Who knows, telepathy might exist!&lt;/em&gt;

That's more likely to be wireless communication between than thinking exactly with the same mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It is possible for something not to be owned by anyone. The implication is still false.</em></p>
<p>Fair enough, but that&#8217;s just a theoretical. In a society of humans giving up your self-ownership is 99% of the time mean someone else gets to own you. The only way to escape that is to go somewhere where no human will ever find you.</p>
<p>Yet that alone is a decision you can&#8217;t make if you weren&#8217;t the master of yourself, your self-owner, and is in fact opposite of giving up your self-ownership.</p>
<p><em>Maybe. Who knows, telepathy might exist!</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s more likely to be wireless communication between than thinking exactly with the same mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Taco</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/10/25/right-to-life-liberty-and-property-equals-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Taco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About &lt;i&gt;To deny ownership altogether is to deny ownership of self. This implies that someone else owns you…&lt;/i&gt;:

It is possible for something not to be owned by anyone. The implication is still false.

&lt;i&gt;This would fit with saying that no two people can think with the same mind, which is true.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe. Who knows, telepathy might exist! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About <i>To deny ownership altogether is to deny ownership of self. This implies that someone else owns you…</i>:</p>
<p>It is possible for something not to be owned by anyone. The implication is still false.</p>
<p><i>This would fit with saying that no two people can think with the same mind, which is true.</i></p>
<p>Maybe. Who knows, telepathy might exist! <img src='http://www.memeverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/10/25/right-to-life-liberty-and-property-equals-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, it could still be said that two persons can't own the same idea at the same time if you consider each instance of the idea individually. I tell you something and as a result you yourself create what MAY be an equal copy of the idea, but it is still created by you. This would fit with saying that no two people can think with the same mind, which is true. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, it could still be said that two persons can&#8217;t own the same idea at the same time if you consider each instance of the idea individually. I tell you something and as a result you yourself create what MAY be an equal copy of the idea, but it is still created by you. This would fit with saying that no two people can think with the same mind, which is true. <img src='http://www.memeverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/10/25/right-to-life-liberty-and-property-equals-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Watch out! In the first quoted bit you open the door for the possibility of owning ideas, and in the second you claim no two can own the same thing. You do know the patently absurd (pun intended) consequences of that, right?&lt;/em&gt;

You do own an idea while it is in your head, but once you choose to release it (write it down and give or sell it to someone, or just say it out loud) you obviously by your own will let it go. Ideas aren't "things". They are basically thoughts themselves and because of that multiple people can own them (carry them in their mind) at the same time.

I said no two people can own the same "thing", not the same "thought".

&lt;em&gt;That doesn’t make sense. If nobody can own anything, obviously nobody can own you. Faked shared/nonexistent ownership like is done in communism and actual absence of the concept of ownership are not the same thing!&lt;/em&gt;

The whole point of this blog entry is that property ownership is inseparable from liberty and also inseparable from human being, thus saying that property ownership doesn't exist at all doesn't mean it wont still continue existing anyway. The consequence of believing falsely into non-existence of something is obviously a total ignorance of it and inability to deal with like you would if you admitted its existance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Watch out! In the first quoted bit you open the door for the possibility of owning ideas, and in the second you claim no two can own the same thing. You do know the patently absurd (pun intended) consequences of that, right?</em></p>
<p>You do own an idea while it is in your head, but once you choose to release it (write it down and give or sell it to someone, or just say it out loud) you obviously by your own will let it go. Ideas aren&#8217;t &#8220;things&#8221;. They are basically thoughts themselves and because of that multiple people can own them (carry them in their mind) at the same time.</p>
<p>I said no two people can own the same &#8220;thing&#8221;, not the same &#8220;thought&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>That doesn’t make sense. If nobody can own anything, obviously nobody can own you. Faked shared/nonexistent ownership like is done in communism and actual absence of the concept of ownership are not the same thing!</em></p>
<p>The whole point of this blog entry is that property ownership is inseparable from liberty and also inseparable from human being, thus saying that property ownership doesn&#8217;t exist at all doesn&#8217;t mean it wont still continue existing anyway. The consequence of believing falsely into non-existence of something is obviously a total ignorance of it and inability to deal with like you would if you admitted its existance.</p>
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		<title>By: Taco</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/10/25/right-to-life-liberty-and-property-equals-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Taco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...So in addition to the food you’re digesting, air you are breeding, space you are occupying (your body) you also own everything else that is created or acquired by the work of your mind and body.

No two persons can own the same thing...&lt;/i&gt;

Watch out! In the first quoted bit you open the door for the possibility of owning ideas, and in the second you claim no two can own the same thing. You do know the patently absurd (pun intended) consequences of that, right?

&lt;i&gt;To deny ownership altogether is to deny ownership of self. This implies that someone else owns you...&lt;/i&gt;

That doesn't make sense. If nobody can own anything, obviously nobody can own you. Faked shared/nonexistent ownership like is done in communism and actual absence of the concept of ownership are not the same thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;So in addition to the food you’re digesting, air you are breeding, space you are occupying (your body) you also own everything else that is created or acquired by the work of your mind and body.</p>
<p>No two persons can own the same thing&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Watch out! In the first quoted bit you open the door for the possibility of owning ideas, and in the second you claim no two can own the same thing. You do know the patently absurd (pun intended) consequences of that, right?</p>
<p><i>To deny ownership altogether is to deny ownership of self. This implies that someone else owns you&#8230;</i></p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make sense. If nobody can own anything, obviously nobody can own you. Faked shared/nonexistent ownership like is done in communism and actual absence of the concept of ownership are not the same thing!</p>
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