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	<title>Comments on: Free Hans Reiser? (updated)</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about Andrew. About Anton, he was speaking before the murder case was as clear cut, albeit the jews thing is a little paranoid and IMHO misses the point. But you also "refuted" me and Kevin who never supported the murder nor implied murderers should go free acting as if we did. Kevin was talking about a more balanced system of justice which revolves around reparations rather than punishment and was also speaking *before* the body, as the primary evidence necessary, was found. He in no way said murderers should go free.

And myself, I originally thought that people are jumping to conclusions prematurely and felt that all evidence they had at the time was weak if they couldn't find the body. Once they did I UPDATED the post, as you can see, saying I was wrong and clarifying my position.

Your reply to Kevin was to call him a "kook" and misrepresenting what he said (that murderers can go free). That's not much of a rebuttal. It's just a stupid ad hominem.

And your "rebuttal" of me was complete misrepresentation, as if I was advocating freedom to take another's life or that killers should go free. You're not refuting me there, but your own image of me based on what I never said.

As for "eye for an eye", alright, I guess you're not advocating that, which is good. I don't advocate punishment either, but reparations, as Kevin described it. Justice isn't about revenge (which is what punishment is), but about repairing the damage as far as it can be repaired.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about Andrew. About Anton, he was speaking before the murder case was as clear cut, albeit the jews thing is a little paranoid and IMHO misses the point. But you also &#8220;refuted&#8221; me and Kevin who never supported the murder nor implied murderers should go free acting as if we did. Kevin was talking about a more balanced system of justice which revolves around reparations rather than punishment and was also speaking *before* the body, as the primary evidence necessary, was found. He in no way said murderers should go free.</p>
<p>And myself, I originally thought that people are jumping to conclusions prematurely and felt that all evidence they had at the time was weak if they couldn&#8217;t find the body. Once they did I UPDATED the post, as you can see, saying I was wrong and clarifying my position.</p>
<p>Your reply to Kevin was to call him a &#8220;kook&#8221; and misrepresenting what he said (that murderers can go free). That&#8217;s not much of a rebuttal. It&#8217;s just a stupid ad hominem.</p>
<p>And your &#8220;rebuttal&#8221; of me was complete misrepresentation, as if I was advocating freedom to take another&#8217;s life or that killers should go free. You&#8217;re not refuting me there, but your own image of me based on what I never said.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221;, alright, I guess you&#8217;re not advocating that, which is good. I don&#8217;t advocate punishment either, but reparations, as Kevin described it. Justice isn&#8217;t about revenge (which is what punishment is), but about repairing the damage as far as it can be repaired.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Onya</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Onya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very clearly refuted nonsense point by point.  If you can refute anything that I posted, please let me know.

Or, you can continue to put words in my mouth and call me "sad" and "pathetic".

In my book, people who have crushes on murderers are sad and pathetic.

Nobody here defended murder?  Let's see:

Andrew Theo Says:

"Yes, I see : Hans did it.
But what jury in this or the other world could judge him ??
I mean, the women took his money, his children, his company, his life work, his dignity.
Who can realy put a blame on this man ?
I do not….and, maybe neither should you : look inside you, and try to put yourselves in his shoes."

As far as your nonsense about "eye for an eye", an "eye for an eye" in this case would have been a sentence of death by strangulation. Clearly, that didn't happen. As a matter of fact, the murderer has a chance to leave prison if he lives long enough!  Clearly not "eye for an eye".

On the contrary, people here seem to be advocating the extreme opposite of an eye for an eye, which is that murderers should go free.

Disagree with anything I've said?  Please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very clearly refuted nonsense point by point.  If you can refute anything that I posted, please let me know.</p>
<p>Or, you can continue to put words in my mouth and call me &#8220;sad&#8221; and &#8220;pathetic&#8221;.</p>
<p>In my book, people who have crushes on murderers are sad and pathetic.</p>
<p>Nobody here defended murder?  Let&#8217;s see:</p>
<p>Andrew Theo Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, I see : Hans did it.<br />
But what jury in this or the other world could judge him ??<br />
I mean, the women took his money, his children, his company, his life work, his dignity.<br />
Who can realy put a blame on this man ?<br />
I do not….and, maybe neither should you : look inside you, and try to put yourselves in his shoes.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as your nonsense about &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221;, an &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; in this case would have been a sentence of death by strangulation. Clearly, that didn&#8217;t happen. As a matter of fact, the murderer has a chance to leave prison if he lives long enough!  Clearly not &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the contrary, people here seem to be advocating the extreme opposite of an eye for an eye, which is that murderers should go free.</p>
<p>Disagree with anything I&#8217;ve said?  Please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you done Bon? You are being more emotional than rational and your posts reflect that. It's like you came here solely to vent your frustration, as you say yourself. But doing it like this only makes &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; look like a sad fish in a barrel, you know. You might have as well posted a single comment and called everyone you disagree with an idiot and that would do.

Nobody here defended murder. At the time this entry and many of subsequent comments were written it was NOT clear if it was a murder or not, as evidence was NOT yet conclusive, yet people were jumping to conclusions. This isn't some sort of a betting game where you get to bet on one or the other outcome and then get paid in gloating rights. That's pathetic. That you're so quick to assume people here supported no sanctions for murder says more about you than them.

Also, regarding your put down of Kevin's voluntaryism, it appears you are one of those who believe in "eye for an eye", perpetual escalation of violence as the solution to violence. Nothing can bring back life, that's for sure, but killing someone back and even life in prison wont do it either. It would indeed be nice if the murderer was thus offered an option to make it up to the family of the lost one as much as humanly possible (paying huge reparations) instead of costing tax payers, completely innocent people, for holding him and feeding him in some dumb jail cell.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you done Bon? You are being more emotional than rational and your posts reflect that. It&#8217;s like you came here solely to vent your frustration, as you say yourself. But doing it like this only makes <em>you</em> look like a sad fish in a barrel, you know. You might have as well posted a single comment and called everyone you disagree with an idiot and that would do.</p>
<p>Nobody here defended murder. At the time this entry and many of subsequent comments were written it was NOT clear if it was a murder or not, as evidence was NOT yet conclusive, yet people were jumping to conclusions. This isn&#8217;t some sort of a betting game where you get to bet on one or the other outcome and then get paid in gloating rights. That&#8217;s pathetic. That you&#8217;re so quick to assume people here supported no sanctions for murder says more about you than them.</p>
<p>Also, regarding your put down of Kevin&#8217;s voluntaryism, it appears you are one of those who believe in &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221;, perpetual escalation of violence as the solution to violence. Nothing can bring back life, that&#8217;s for sure, but killing someone back and even life in prison wont do it either. It would indeed be nice if the murderer was thus offered an option to make it up to the family of the lost one as much as humanly possible (paying huge reparations) instead of costing tax payers, completely innocent people, for holding him and feeding him in some dumb jail cell.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Onya</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Onya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, to all of you Reiser apologists out there, thanks for your idiotic postings.  I needed to blow off some steam, and refuting your moronic opinions was like shooting fish in a barrel!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, to all of you Reiser apologists out there, thanks for your idiotic postings.  I needed to blow off some steam, and refuting your moronic opinions was like shooting fish in a barrel!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Onya</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Onya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>admin wrote:

"I expected better from a Free Software community, all so adamant in promoting their cause and supposedly “freedom”."

You're misunderstanding what "freedom" means.

"Freedom" doesn't include the "freedom" to take another's life.

The small fringe minority among the "free software community" who put forth silly notions like these are doing themselves and the community a tremendous disservice.

When you say that killers should go "free", how do you expect anyone to take anything that you say seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>admin wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I expected better from a Free Software community, all so adamant in promoting their cause and supposedly “freedom”.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re misunderstanding what &#8220;freedom&#8221; means.</p>
<p>&#8220;Freedom&#8221; doesn&#8217;t include the &#8220;freedom&#8221; to take another&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>The small fringe minority among the &#8220;free software community&#8221; who put forth silly notions like these are doing themselves and the community a tremendous disservice.</p>
<p>When you say that killers should go &#8220;free&#8221;, how do you expect anyone to take anything that you say seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Onya</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Onya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anton Says:

"He was convicted because both the Judge and the Jurors were jews. What outcome would you expect for clearly anti-hebrew type?"

You're delusional.

First of all, I don't know about Judge Goodman, but having attended part of the trial, I can tell you that the members of the jury were not "Jews".

Second, he was convicted because *he killed his wife*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anton Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;He was convicted because both the Judge and the Jurors were jews. What outcome would you expect for clearly anti-hebrew type?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re delusional.</p>
<p>First of all, I don&#8217;t know about Judge Goodman, but having attended part of the trial, I can tell you that the members of the jury were not &#8220;Jews&#8221;.</p>
<p>Second, he was convicted because *he killed his wife*.</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Onya</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Onya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Dean wrote:

"This isn’t about murder, it’s about a group of people imposing their worldview on other human beings. One person sending a a man to jail would be called “tyrrany”. It doesn’t matter if it’s one man or one million. For all the people who stupidly subscribe to the idea of “democracy” a group of 12 men does NOT suddenly gain the ability to deprive a sovereign man of his life, liberty or property. The disgust that “people” think it’s acceptable to deprive human beings of rights because some majority agrees is the issue."

You're a kook.  I hope in the year-plus since you've written this, you've gotten the mental health care that you so clearly require.

The position that it's unreasonable to "deprive" murderers of their "liberty" is absurd.

I find it hard to believe that if someone close to you was murdered, you'd be standing up in court asking that the killer be "ostracized" rather  than imprisoned.

Thanks for introducing me to the ridiculous concept of "voluntarism".  It's a laugh riot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Dean wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;This isn’t about murder, it’s about a group of people imposing their worldview on other human beings. One person sending a a man to jail would be called “tyrrany”. It doesn’t matter if it’s one man or one million. For all the people who stupidly subscribe to the idea of “democracy” a group of 12 men does NOT suddenly gain the ability to deprive a sovereign man of his life, liberty or property. The disgust that “people” think it’s acceptable to deprive human beings of rights because some majority agrees is the issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a kook.  I hope in the year-plus since you&#8217;ve written this, you&#8217;ve gotten the mental health care that you so clearly require.</p>
<p>The position that it&#8217;s unreasonable to &#8220;deprive&#8221; murderers of their &#8220;liberty&#8221; is absurd.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that if someone close to you was murdered, you&#8217;d be standing up in court asking that the killer be &#8220;ostracized&#8221; rather  than imprisoned.</p>
<p>Thanks for introducing me to the ridiculous concept of &#8220;voluntarism&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a laugh riot!</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Onya</title>
		<link>http://www.memeverse.com/2008/05/02/free-hans-reiser/comment-page-1/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Onya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Theo Says:

"But what jury in this or the other world could judge him ??"

Um... any jury composed of 12 relatively rational individuals.

"I mean, the women took his money, his children, his company, his life work, his dignity."

No, she didn't.  She didn't take any of his money.  It was testified in court that "not one penny" could be identified as being inappropriately obtained by the victim.

"Who can realy put a blame on this man ?"

Any person who thinks that taking another's life is wrong.

"I do not…."

That's probably due to some mental disorder.

"Hans is not a killer,"

Yes, he is.  He killed a person.  That makes him a killer, by definition.

"...he was a good father, "

No, he wasn't.  He was a father who didn't pay his child support, and tried to refuse medical care that several doctors agreed that his children needed.  Further, he deprived his children of both of their parents.  Hard to imagine a worse parent.

"...a good profesional,"

No, he wasn't.  By all accounts, he was a failure as a businessman, didn't work well with others, and produced a shoddy, bug riddled product.

"he acted probably in a moment of passion"

You have no way of knowing that.

"...so, I think in 5 year he should be out from the prison."
"It is just an opinion…"

You're an idiot.  Just an opinion.

Also, you should learn to spell.  Your spelling is atrocious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Theo Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;But what jury in this or the other world could judge him ??&#8221;</p>
<p>Um&#8230; any jury composed of 12 relatively rational individuals.</p>
<p>&#8220;I mean, the women took his money, his children, his company, his life work, his dignity.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, she didn&#8217;t.  She didn&#8217;t take any of his money.  It was testified in court that &#8220;not one penny&#8221; could be identified as being inappropriately obtained by the victim.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who can realy put a blame on this man ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Any person who thinks that taking another&#8217;s life is wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not….&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably due to some mental disorder.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hans is not a killer,&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, he is.  He killed a person.  That makes him a killer, by definition.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;he was a good father, &#8221;</p>
<p>No, he wasn&#8217;t.  He was a father who didn&#8217;t pay his child support, and tried to refuse medical care that several doctors agreed that his children needed.  Further, he deprived his children of both of their parents.  Hard to imagine a worse parent.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;a good profesional,&#8221;</p>
<p>No, he wasn&#8217;t.  By all accounts, he was a failure as a businessman, didn&#8217;t work well with others, and produced a shoddy, bug riddled product.</p>
<p>&#8220;he acted probably in a moment of passion&#8221;</p>
<p>You have no way of knowing that.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;so, I think in 5 year he should be out from the prison.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It is just an opinion…&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re an idiot.  Just an opinion.</p>
<p>Also, you should learn to spell.  Your spelling is atrocious.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KTC I kept agreeing with your post as I was reading it (even the part to me; I long ago updated the post to admit being wrong) and then I read the last sentence. What a cold shower.

If you think eye for an eye is justice you'd probably be cripple by now, as would everyone else in the world. Killing the murderer is nothing, but just another murder and does nothing whatsoever to repair the damage nor console those who lost someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KTC I kept agreeing with your post as I was reading it (even the part to me; I long ago updated the post to admit being wrong) and then I read the last sentence. What a cold shower.</p>
<p>If you think eye for an eye is justice you&#8217;d probably be cripple by now, as would everyone else in the world. Killing the murderer is nothing, but just another murder and does nothing whatsoever to repair the damage nor console those who lost someone.</p>
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		<title>By: KTC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see what she did so horribly wrong to deserve to die. In any case there's absolutely no excuse for murder. You got sexual satisfaction from this women time and time again, then married her, then had children with her. Then as soon as you realized that she's not the perfect, dumb, blowup-doll wife, you murder her? That's very smart. Beating and murdering a woman is such a manly and heroic thing to do. Bravo.

Wake up, dummies (yeah including the OP who assumed Reiser's innocence with very limited info to begin with. Like you sitting behind a computer screen think you're so much smarter than prosecuters working on this case day and night). Reiser should have been electrocuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what she did so horribly wrong to deserve to die. In any case there&#8217;s absolutely no excuse for murder. You got sexual satisfaction from this women time and time again, then married her, then had children with her. Then as soon as you realized that she&#8217;s not the perfect, dumb, blowup-doll wife, you murder her? That&#8217;s very smart. Beating and murdering a woman is such a manly and heroic thing to do. Bravo.</p>
<p>Wake up, dummies (yeah including the OP who assumed Reiser&#8217;s innocence with very limited info to begin with. Like you sitting behind a computer screen think you&#8217;re so much smarter than prosecuters working on this case day and night). Reiser should have been electrocuted.</p>
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