Comments on: Mission Impossible: Escaping the hype http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/ Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:01:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Symptoms of a corrupt world | Memeverse http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Symptoms of a corrupt world | Memeverse Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:52:38 +0000 http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/#comment-120 [...] of everything, as long as you are capable and well trained (by yourself) to resist classical propaganda appeals. This way you can separate the stuff that makes sense to you from the stuff that, as some aptly [...] [...] of everything, as long as you are capable and well trained (by yourself) to resist classical propaganda appeals. This way you can separate the stuff that makes sense to you from the stuff that, as some aptly [...]

]]> By: admin http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-116 admin Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:06:21 +0000 http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/#comment-116 Agreed. Agreed.

]]> By: Taco "Nat" Buitenhuis http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-115 Taco "Nat" Buitenhuis Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:21:42 +0000 http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/#comment-115 The difference between defending the name of Darwin and defending the name of God is that God apparently isn't dead, and therefore able to do so himself if he would want to. (male form and capital G used because we're referring to the god of one particular religion, in which these choices are conventional) Putting my opinion about propaganda in different words, I think the best strategy is to provoke the emotional response "rage against irrational stupidity". The difference between defending the name of Darwin and defending the name of God is that God apparently isn’t dead, and therefore able to do so himself if he would want to. (male form and capital G used because we’re referring to the god of one particular religion, in which these choices are conventional)

Putting my opinion about propaganda in different words, I think the best strategy is to provoke the emotional response “rage against irrational stupidity”.

]]> By: admin http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-114 admin Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:04:18 +0000 http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/#comment-114 > First thing, please don’t abuse the name of Darwin. Why did that remind me of "Thou shall not use the name of thy lord in vain"? ;) Btw, I don't actually believe in the evolution as the final answer to the question of how we came to be, even biologically. Failed to become convinced with such a far fetched theory. I prefer the "I don't quite know" answer. Anyway, seriously, ok.. but I think there actually is some evolution going on. People are becoming harder to convince of some things so more and more sophisticated methods of convincing are developed. > I think it would be wise to write your propaganda in such a way that it also clearly shows off your rational arguments, hopefully making it more convincing. Agreed, but if your material is all about showing rational arguments right off the bat this material wont be propaganda at all. As an emotional appeal I'd say it would be good for it to give way to rational arguments. It is primarily a tool for getting people's attention so that you can, then, show them some rational arguments, which is exactly what I prefer and what if you ask me should be done with Freedomware propaganda. Not all propaganda ends with such rationality. Take Apple for example; it ends with "I love this thing so much I gotta have it NOW!" - Even the very end result is an emotional response. > First thing, please don’t abuse the name of Darwin.

Why did that remind me of “Thou shall not use the name of thy lord in vain”? ;)

Btw, I don’t actually believe in the evolution as the final answer to the question of how we came to be, even biologically. Failed to become convinced with such a far fetched theory. I prefer the “I don’t quite know” answer.

Anyway, seriously, ok.. but I think there actually is some evolution going on. People are becoming harder to convince of some things so more and more sophisticated methods of convincing are developed.

> I think it would be wise to write your propaganda in such a way that it also clearly shows off your rational arguments, hopefully making it more convincing.

Agreed, but if your material is all about showing rational arguments right off the bat this material wont be propaganda at all. As an emotional appeal I’d say it would be good for it to give way to rational arguments. It is primarily a tool for getting people’s attention so that you can, then, show them some rational arguments, which is exactly what I prefer and what if you ask me should be done with Freedomware propaganda.

Not all propaganda ends with such rationality. Take Apple for example; it ends with “I love this thing so much I gotta have it NOW!” – Even the very end result is an emotional response.

]]> By: Taco "Nat" Buitenhuis http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-113 Taco "Nat" Buitenhuis Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:24:12 +0000 http://www.memeverse.com/2008/03/07/mission-impossible-escaping-the-hype/#comment-113 First thing, please don't abuse the name of Darwin. Tough competition without evolution isn't Darwinism. If someone would be successful by making changes to his behavior in the propaganda-everywhere system, and these changes make him better fit/adapted, then we could speak of Darwinism, although I bet Darwin would not have approved of any use of his name outside biology. Anyway, my point is that sticking the name of a famous scientist to make something bad look as if it's supported by science is wrong. We don't call someone who advocates total violent anarchy a "social <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Clausius" rel="nofollow">Clausiusist</a>" either. Now, as for propaganda... if those with opposite views are using propaganda, it only makes sense to fight back using the same weapon. I think it would be wise to write your propaganda in such a way that it also clearly shows off your rational arguments, hopefully making it more convincing. At the very least you will be more convincing once the audience starts seeing through the propaganda, cause then your opponents will not have shown their rational arguments while you did. First thing, please don’t abuse the name of Darwin. Tough competition without evolution isn’t Darwinism. If someone would be successful by making changes to his behavior in the propaganda-everywhere system, and these changes make him better fit/adapted, then we could speak of Darwinism, although I bet Darwin would not have approved of any use of his name outside biology.
Anyway, my point is that sticking the name of a famous scientist to make something bad look as if it’s supported by science is wrong. We don’t call someone who advocates total violent anarchy a “social Clausiusist”
either.

Now, as for propaganda… if those with opposite views are using propaganda, it only makes sense to fight back using the same weapon. I think it would be wise to write your propaganda in such a way that it also clearly shows off your rational arguments, hopefully making it more convincing. At the very least you will be more convincing once the audience starts seeing through the propaganda, cause then your opponents will not have shown their rational arguments while you did.

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